Caroling, Sacred Hymn Circle-Dancing, Hora Dance, Lakota Sun-Dance & the Lord of the Dance


Caroling, Sacred Hymn circle-dancing, led by a Choreogos with a Flute, was a practice of the early Catholic Christians. The practice goes back to the Greek worship of Helios Kouros and Rhoda, Krishna and Radha and Their Master of Divine Love Mysteries, Lord Bala-Deva (the Original Dionysos) on Their Sacred Isle of Rhodes. The Jewish Sacred Hora Circle Dance is also related to the Vaishnava Rasa Lila Dance of Radha-Krishna, and Baladeva and His Gopis (Cowherd Girls). The first Catholic Christians accepted Jesus as the Greek IASAS Asclepios, the Egyptian Great Physician Serapis INCARNATE. Thus they understood Him to be Lord Bala-Deva, the true Dionysos, the sole Master and Initiator into the Divine Love Mysteries of Rhoda-Kouros of Rhodes. With the early travels of humanity, one can trace the diffusion of this primal and universal Tradition of Divine Love Mysteries from pre-historic evidence around the World. Please see my facebook Album on the Rasa Lila Dance Tradition World-wide. See the youtube videos that I posted on the related sacred Circle Dance Traditions. All Glories to the Lord of the Dance! 

When, from 1980 to 1983, I was doing the musicology portion of my PLE and Independent Studies Degree work, at the Catholic Marylhurst College (University) in Lake Qswego, Oregon, USA, I updated my previous research into the history and theology of Catholic CAROLING, going all of the way back to the pre-historic worship of Rhoda-Kore (Radha) and Helios Kouros (Krishna) on Their Sacred Lotus (Nymphia) Island of Rhodes in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea. Related to this research I also did a musical and theological comparison of Gaudiya-Tradition related Vaishnava Hymns, with European High Church Hymnology, and my studies of American Negro Spirituals. As part of all this I did vocal performances of all three types of Sacred Music, with some of the Bhajans and Spirituals accompanied by my own piano arrangements of the same. At the time I had a repertoire of over 100 such pieces, which I used to play in public at the ecumenical religious services that I conducted and participated in.

The Lakota, Dakota and Nakota Traditions have profound ancient historical and theological connections to both Vedic Vaishnavism and the Judeo-Catholic Traditions. This is why some very spiritually advanced Catholic Priests and Religious have been so deeply effected by the intercessory sacrifice of the Sun Dancers, and why some Catholics and even Vaishnava Godbrothers of mine have pierced in a Sun Dance. In Kataragama Sri Lanka, and other ancient centers of Shaivism, and Tantric Buddhism, such intercessory sacrifice piercing and ‘dancing’ is still performed. Of course Jesus Christ was also pierced and fixed-by-His-flesh to His Cross which was/is the Axis Mundi Center of the Cosmos and the Tree-of-Life in His intercessory Self-Sacrifice for the healing / salvation of the entire World! In the ancient CAROLING Tradition of the circle SUN DANCE of Helios KOUROS of Rhodes, The Lord leads His Sacred CYCLE / CAKRA circle Dance as KOURU-AULOS the CAROLER Who plays the AULOS FLUTE and the CHOREAGOS CHOREOGRAPHER Who leads the Dance! This Tradition of SUN DANCING comes through into the authentic Catholic Apostolic Tradition of Christianity as CAROLING. In earliest Chritiantiy, Catholics still used to CAROL after Mass, and during great religious events and relic fairs all year around. During the rise of anti-Catholic Protestantism, such CAROLING was outlawed and punishable by DEATH! The history of how CHRISTMAS CAROLING came to be is amazing. The Protestant Hymn “Lord of the Dance” is a remnant of the once great Catholic Tradition of Caroling, in which Jesus Himself or His Holy Spirit was considered the Choreagos and Choru-Aulos LORD OF THE DANCE.
Uploaded by Denise Hewitt on Feb 8, 2008 

Lord of the Dance – This beautiful tune was adapted and arranged from a traditional shaker melody by Sydney Carter back in 1963. Of course the title and music was also used in the world-famous Michael Flatley Production for the 1996 Irish Musical “Lord of the Dance”.

The lyrics (simple gifts) and music of this Shaker dance song were originally written back in 1848 by Elder Joseph Brackett at the Shaker community in Alfred, Maine. It became an extremely popular American folk tune and was used by Aaron Copland in his famous Appalachian Spring symphony in 1955.

In this recording, Denise Hewitt is playing a Technics SX-PR60 Electronic Piano. The title photo is of the magnificent Sunset from Hopi Point on the South Rim – Grand Canyon – taken by Denise during April 2006.

Lord of the Dance – Lyrics – Sydney Carter ***

(1) I danced in the morning when the world was young
I danced in the moon and the stars and the sun
I came down from heaven and I danced on the earth
At Bethlehem I had my birth 

Dance, dance, wherever you may be
I am the lord of the dance, said he
And I lead you all, wherever you may be
And I lead you all in the dance, said he 

(2) I danced for the scribes and the Pharisees
They wouldn’t dance, they wouldn’t follow me
I danced for the fishermen James and John
They came with me so the dance went on 

(3) I danced on the Sabbath and I cured the lame
The holy people said it was a shame
They ripped, they stripped, they hung me high
Left me there on the cross to die 

(4)I danced on a Friday when the world turned black
It’s hard to dance with the devil on your back
They buried my body, they thought I was gone
But I am the dance, and the dance goes on 

(5) They cut me down and I leapt up high
I am the life that will never, never die
I’ll live in you if you’ll live in me
I am the Lord of the dance, said he 

*** Simple Gifts – Original Shaker Lyrics ***

Tis the gift to be simple, ’tis the gift to be free, 
‘Tis the gift to come down where we ought to be, 
And when we find ourselves in the place just right, 
‘Twill be in the valley of love and delight. 
When true simplicity is gain’d 
To bow and to bend we shan’t be asham’d, 
To turn, turn will be out delight 
‘Till by turning, turning we come round right. 
One of my favorite Spirituals, sung just the way that I learned it from hearing my Grandma and Bessie sing it.

Steal Away – Reverend Pearly Brown
This video features the spiritual “Steal Away” sung by Reverend Pearly Brown. This song was what Pearly called a ‘slave song’…

About Collected Works of Sri Bhakti Ananda Goswami

This site is a repository of the written work of Bhakti Ananda Goswami managed by one of his students, Vrndavan Brannon Parker. Bhakti Ananda Goswami is a practicing Catholic Hermit under private vows, and a Vedic Monk in the Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya-Vaishnava Lineage Tridanda Sannyasi and Siksha (Instructing) Master. His research provides the evidence proving that at the ultimate source there is only One Religion and Divinity yet there are multiple expressions of that religion and Divinity. Read the various collected articles on this site revealing that ancient Humanity was highly evolved and motivated by transcendent and life affirming impulses leading to High Civilization. (Please Note that this site is not maintained and updated by Bhakti Ananda Goswami himself but is managed by one of his students. Though he does scan the site he is not always able to respond to messages or comments.)

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  1. Bhakti Ananda Goswami
    Octobarrr 21 roundabouts 2:51in the evenin’ ·
    Jagadananda Das wrote:
    “Whether it was the song, dance and instrumentation that Brahma, Shiva and other gods had created, or those that Lord Narayan and all his Lakshmis created appropriate to their world of Vaikuntha, or whether it was the song, dance and instrumentation that the Vraja sundaris themselves created — in the Rasa maṇḍala Krishna further expanded them all in their company in ways never before seen or heard.
    gītaṁ vādyaṁ ca nṛtyaṁ vidhi-śiva-racitaṁ yac ca vaikuṇṭha-loke
    yal lakṣmī-kānta-lakṣmī-caya-naya-racitaṁ svena yad yat praṇītam |
    anyāgamyaṁ yad ābhir vraja-vara-lalanā-nartakībhiś ca sṛṣṭaṁ
    rāse kṛṣṇas tad etan muhur iha kutukī sarvam ābhir vyatānīt ||36||”
    Comment by Bhakti Ananda Goswami:
    Sister Lucie Hutchinson was the famous Head of the Music Department of the historic College run by the Catholic Religious Order, the Sisters of the Holy Name. The Liturgical Arts programs of Marylhurst College in Lake Oswego, Oregon, USA, were quite renowned when I earned my bachelor’s degree there in 1983. As a 30+ year old ‘Prior Learning Experience Portfolio’ degree candidate, I challenged various courses and entered-into especially designed course contracts with Marylhurst to fulfill my degree requirements.
    In the Marylhurst Music Department I designed and successfully completed two musicology research and performance projects for Sister Lucie. One was a history and comparison of Vaishnava Bhajans with the Christian hymnology of ‘High European Church Music’ and African Slavery-related American ‘Black Spirituals’. The other extensive project was a summary history of CAROLING from the pre-historic evidence of the RASA LILA CIRCLE DANCE cultus of Rhoda-Kore and Kouros-Helios of Rhodes, through Catholic ‘Sankirtan’ and Circle-Dancing the Angel-Round of Paradise (Caroling) after Mass, and the eventual Protestant ban on Catholic Caroling (which was punishable by death), to the presently degraded secular practice of ‘Christmas Caroling’. Both of these projects documented my already long study of these two subjects, and I received outstanding reviews of both of these musicology projects from Sister Lucie.
    Regrettably, my research into the earliest worship of Rhoda and Kouros of Rhodes (the Biblical Dodanim of the Song of Songs), and Their sacred ‘Carol’ Kouru-Aulos Circle-Flute Dance of Divine Love, was suppressed by some of the leaders of ISKCON, who blocked me from communicating with Srila Prabhupada, and ultimately violently persecuted me and drove me away from ISKCON and the Sankirtan Movement.
    Fortunately for me, though, I was blessed to get the association of Srila Prabhupada’s beloved first Disciple, Dr. Acharya Prabhakar Mishra, and he welcomed the information about the earliest extant evidence of Radha-Krishna worship that I was able to give him from my research.
    So the above quote is important for so many reasons, including its connection to the actually verifiable evidence of early Rhoda-Kouros (Radha-Kishora Krishna) and related Dionysos (Baladeva) Lineage ‘Caroling’ in the Mediterranean Rhodian-related Hierogamos Divine Love Mystery Schools.
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    Nico Narayana
    Nico Narayana Aye but their are mistaken ideas about the devil in the bible!
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · Octobarrr 21 roundabouts 3:00in the evenin’
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami Dear Nico Narayana,

    In this Post I am trying to introduce the number ONE important subject concerning the PRIMAL HUMAN WORSHIP of Radha-Krishna and the Original Spiritual Master and High Priest of Their Divine Love Mysteries, Lord Baladeva. So I am requesting everyone to PLEASE DO NOT POST ANYTHING TO DIVERT THIS THREAD AWAY FROM ITS INTENDED TOPIC!


    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · 3 · Octobarrr 21 roundabouts 3:08in the evenin' · Edited
    Nico Narayana
    Nico Narayana Bhakti Ananda Goswami tolerance brother people got rights but delete it i respect all and their wishes!❤
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · Octobarrr 21 roundabouts 3:10in the evenin'
    Niscala Devi Dasi
    Niscala Devi Dasi What about ritvik? Just kidding! Very nice to see you back again, Maharaja!
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · 1 · Octobarrr 21 roundabouts 6:20in the evenin'
    David Ernest Wachter

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    Bhakti Ananda Goswami
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami My Additional Comments:

    Jagadananda Das wrote:

    "Whether it was the song, dance and instrumentation that Brahma, Shiva and other gods had created, or those that Lord Narayan and all his Lakshmis created appropriate to their world of Vaikuntha, or whether it was the song, dance and instrumentation that the Vraja sundaris themselves created — in the Rasa maṇḍala Krishna further expanded them all in their company in ways never before seen or heard.

    gītaṁ vādyaṁ ca nṛtyaṁ vidhi-śiva-racitaṁ yac ca vaikuṇṭha-loke

    yal lakṣmī-kānta-lakṣmī-caya-naya-racitaṁ svena yad yat praṇītam |

    anyāgamyaṁ yad ābhir vraja-vara-lalanā-nartakībhiś ca sṛṣṭaṁ

    rāse kṛṣṇas tad etan muhur iha kutukī sarvam ābhir vyatānīt ||36||"

    The above quotation LOCATES the Rasa Dance in 3 distinct places…

    1. The World of the Devas, "Brahma, Shiva and other gods"
    2. The Vaikuntha Lokas of "Lord Narayana and all his Lakshmis"
    3. The Vraja of the "sundaris"

    These three lokas, locales or locations have parallels in the ancient Mediterranean worship of Rhoda-Kore and Helios-Kouros of Rhodes.

    All of the so-called 'gods' (theos, dios) of the earliest Helios worshipers of the Region were actually considered expansions, alter-forms or 'incarnations' of Helios Meghistos Kouros (Krishna) of Rhodes, through His Second Self, WASU / Ausu / Yahu Theos (Toba-Yahu / Vasu-Deva) Bal-Theos (Baladeva) or Dionysos (Deva-Nysas the God of Initiation or Anointing, Nysas). The Rasa Dance (Kouru-Aulos or Carol Circle Dance) of Helios Kouros and Rhoda-Kore and their Kouroi Boys and Korae Girls (Gopas and Gopis) WAS practiced as a Sacred Marriage Rite in the Mystery Schools of the Heliopolitan Devas / Theos. These Rites were performed where the Heliopolitan Theos / Devas were worshiped.

    The Royal King and Queen 'incarnations' of Rhoda and Kouros of Rhodes ruled EVERY sacred Heliopolitan Egyptian NOME District or POLIS CITY as the empowered manifestations of Helios and Rhoda as Polieus and Tyche-Fortuna (Lucretia-Moneta, LAKSHMI). The Sacred Circle Dance of Helios Kouros and Rhoda-Kore WAS ALSO part of that Roman MARIMUS-FORTUNA or Greek POLIEUS-TYCHE 'Bridal Mysticism' Tradition. The HERU-AUSU-ATUM worshiping Africans and the ELI-YAHU-ADON worshiping Semites (including the Biblical JEWS) had the same Sacred Traditions and were part of the same religious Heliopolitan Asyla Federations for thousands of years. The Temple-centered POLIS or NOME DOMAIN of Dhamane Krishna (the Kingly Lord of the Holy Dham or PURUSHA / POLIEUS the Egyptian PER-AUSU), where He was worshiped in REGal awe and reverence, was also the place where the inner Mysteries of the sacred Carol / Kouru-Aulos Flute-Circle Dance of Rhodes were celebrated by the anointed and crowned Polieus and Tyche (Narayana and Narayani, Marimus and Marina) representing Basileos and Basilea (Vasudeva and Vasudevi) kings and queens. These Sacred Heliopolitan Kings and Queens also bore important names and titles that still reveal their relatedness across certain erroneously assumed ethnic and linguistic boundaries. For example the early Afro-Egyptian RE (RAY) Pharaoh, the Roman REG King and REGINA Queen, the Greek REX King, Hebrew (Biblical Jewish) RAZ (RAZAN) and ROSH Tribal Headman or Chief, and the Eastern RAJA (Rajan or RAJANI Queen) or RAYA and Rani Queen are ALL related. Mary-Maraim or Juno-Marina is Nari-Narayani (Lakshmi, Fortuna, Lady Luck / Lucretia-Fortuna-Moneta Fortune / Money) as Rosa-REGINA / RAJANI, Radha-RAJANI / RANI the 'Queen of Heaven'.

    Actually the ORIGINAL location of the sacred Kouru-Aulos Circle-Flute Dance
    of the Original, Supreme Meghistos KOUROS and KORE and their Kouroi-Boy and Korae-Girl 'Expansions' was on their Sacred Rose-Lotus-Star Isle (Dvipa) of Rhoda-Nymphia-Asteria! This was of course related-to the 'Vraja of the Sundaries'. On Their Sacred Lotus-Star Isle of Rhodes, Kouros and Rhoda-Kore and their Kouroi Boy and Korae Girl 'Expansions' were worshiped as simple village children! Their Divine Love Mysteries originated from THERE, as retained-in the earliest Foundation Stories of the first Afro-Egyptian High Civilization and the first City of Heliopolis in Egypt! So, the Eastern Vaishnava Bauma Lila Pastimes of Radha-Krishna and Baladeva and the Gopas and Gopis of Vraja Bhumi are definitely historically related to the earliest worship of Rhoda-Kore and Kouros Helios on Their Sacred Isle of Rhodes.
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · 3 · Octobarrr 21 roundabouts 4:27in the evenin'
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami Jagadananda Das, Al P. Makedonon, Jakob Riishøj, Soolaba Doyle, BrotherPaul Ofh,
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · Octobarrr 21 roundabouts 4:31in the evenin'
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami Ayo Adebusoye, Shivaji Ramos, Niscala Devi Dasi,
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · Octobarrr 21 roundabouts 4:34in the evenin'
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami Please Dear Friends, do not post anything else here that is not directly related to the subject of Radha-Krishna and Baladeva and Their Hiero-Gamos Primal Divine Love Tradition of the Lotus-Star Isle of Rhodes and the Indian Land of Vraja Bhumi. Please try to understand how Their 'Sacred Wedding' or 'Bridal Mysticism' Tradition was manifest thousands of years BC in Africa, Europe, and the Biblical Levant. Please try to grasp that Their Circle-Flute Dance, the Rasa Lila Dance of Radha-Krishna and Their Gopi Girl and Gopa Boy Expansions, was the central Rite of the Kouroi and Korae Boys and Girls of the Greek-related Rhodian 'Sacred Marriage' Hierogamos Tradition. This same Bridal Mysticism Tradition is still at the historical and theological heart of Judaism and Catholicism. In the Judeo-Christian Tradition the Biblical Source for this Bridal Mysticism is the Jewish "Song of Songs". Rhoda-Kore and Rhodos-Kouros are the DODANIM / RODANIM (Pural 'of RHODES') Divine Lovers of the "Song of Songs"! The Jews depicted their GOD as Kouros Helios of Rhodes and used the Rodon 'Rose' of Rhoda-Kore (Radha) as one of their sacred Royal Emblems. Even the great Jewish Reformer-king Josiah chose to use the sacred Rhodon of Rhodes as the emblem of his reign. When God appeared as a Theophany in His Great Temple in Jerusalem, He appeared as Kalki and Krishna-Baladeva.
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · 2 · Octobarrr 21 roundabouts 10:00in the evenin'
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    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · Octobarrr 22 roundabouts 2:02in the evenin'
    Ralph Wilms
    Ralph Wilms Dear Bhakti Ananda Goswami, i was discussing with someone about Gods Revelation before Abramic religions came to existed and i was refering to the great video of yours about the Truine God, but i got unfortually the following response, see qoute: “…T…Spy More
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · Octobarrr 23 roundabouts 5:39in the mornin'
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami Dear Ralph Wilms and FB Friends,

    Throughout all of the Earth, this Facebook Account is the only forum that I presently have for directly and immediately communicating the important facts from my research with others, such as yourself, Ralph. Thus, when the limited FB 'space' of my Account is taken-up with the contrary assertions of other people, who have never studied what I have and who are thus completely unqualified to critique any of my work, and I am required to then either delete such nonsense by them, or to spend my limited time and energy reacting to it by writing a refutation, then the entire reason for my keeping this Facebook Account is being undermined. This Page is primarily for me to communicate to you all with. It is not a forum for the publication of other hostile people's ideas.

    There are faithless and un-intelligent people, mal-educated people who are invested-in and attached to their errors, and people who are full of mundane pride in their own religiosity, as well as some exclusivistic and fanatical sectarians who are filled with 'spiritual pride'. It is useless to try to educate, to reason with and correct, or to re-educate such constitutionally unintelligent or unreasonable people. Knowing who to spend time and energy communicating with and who NOT to is important, because valuable effort should not be squandered on those who are not receptive. One should especially avoid unnessesarily engaging with those persons who are hostile.

    Even though I do NOT go into the fora of hostile persons looking to pick fights with them, some still come here onto my FB Account Pages to attack me and my ministry. Thus such persons have repeatedly hacked and sabotaged my computer and my FB Account efforts to communicate my research findings and realizations.

    Regrettably even my Friends have consistantly used my threads to post contrary or irrelevant things that simply divert the discourse from what I am trying to educate everyone about. So maybe I will simply have to stop trying to use Facebook to communicate, as it is very exhausting and has not seemed to be very effective in the long-run. Apparently a format like this is not optimal for what I need to do.

    Since I have not been able to carry-on private correspondence with the hundreds of sincere (and friendly) people who have written to me, I have tried my best to serve them by writing publicly here on my FB Pages. I have tried to address their most important questions in my various posts and responses, but there is a physical limit on what is possible for me. So Dear Friends, please excuse me for requesting that you NOT interject anything else of a contrary nature into this thread. If you cannot add something encouraging and of a positive contribution to my research findings, please do not add anything at all. Let the exclusivistic sectarian fanatics have their own world-full of multi media presentations, and let me have just this one FB Account, Please!

    ❤ from your aspiring servant, Bhakti Ananda Goswami
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · 3 · Octobarrr 23 roundabouts 2:24in the evenin'
    Ralph Wilms
    Ralph Wilms Thank you Bhakti Ananda Goswami for your uplifting words, and forgive my comments which were not at all my purpose to bring this into a negative direction, but to find answers and how to response. But i will not bring these kind of qoutes anymore in these threads.
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · 1 · Octobarrr 24 roundabouts 1:00in the mornin' · Edited
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami Dear Ralph, Knowing you a little I am sure that YOUR intent was only to draw-out a topic-relevant and useful reply from me, which I will now try to summarize for you. However, please keep in mind that spending my time 'pro-actively' presenting my otherwise 'unpublished' life's work is much more important than spending my time and energy reacting to the gross errors of others and 'defending my thesis' against the countless attackers who usually have not a single clue as to what I am writing about.

    It appears from your quote that you were trying to discuss apples with someone whose only fruit experience was with a pineapple. Or it was like trying to communicate with a speaker of Tamil or Copt by speaking English or German etc. When people really want to communicate they will have to agree on the meanings of their words. If their word-content does not agree, how can they understand each other and communicate?

    Therefore, when I encounter someone whose entire vocabulary, word-content and related mind-set and world-view is like that of the person that you quoted, I do NOT try to de-program and then re-educate them. I have learned the 'hard way' to 'shake the dust off of my feet' and to just move-on from engaging in futile attempts to reason with such people.

    However I have been pleased to answer if someone like yourself asks a relevant question about what the Caholic Apostolic Church taught and still teaches about God's 'General Revelation' to all of humanity and the 'Special Revelation' of the World-saving Messiah through the Tradition of Abraham and Sarah. In fact I have written a lot about this exact subject.

    Just since getting my computer back I have mentioned that there were Africans, Romans and Greeks that belonged to the Rhodian-related Heliopolitan Asyla Federations WITH THE FAITHFUL JEWS.

    Hebrews, Israelites, Judahites and other 'Jews' throughout the Region and beyond were part of these Helios-Polieus Alliances for thousands of years! This is confirmed by MANY stories IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE CATHOLIC BIBLES. Even in any good translation of these authentic and complete Catholic Bibles, the textual proof of such Afro-Indo-European-Semitic RELIGIOUS Alliances is pervasive. In one such Biblical Apocryphal Text, the Leader of the faithful Jews writes to the Leader of the Greek Spartans about their long-acknowledged kinship FROM ABRAHAM and their COMMON FAITH!!! It was the worship of Helios Kouros and Rhoda Kore of Rhodes (the Dodanim / Rodanim of the Biblical "Song of Songs") that the Jews shared with the Spartans (Spartoi).

    Since the descendents of Abraham and Sarah (of the Brahma-Sarasvati Sampradaya of Vaishnavism) were always a MIXED TRIBE of Devotees, it should not be a shock to discover from many Biblical stories that the Jews as God's 'chosen people' were always ethnically inclusive. While they did not marry outside of their faith, they readily married outside of their ethnos or tribe. In fact they made an effort to adopt and marry Devotees from other tribes and actually came to forbid too-closely related marriages. Biblical stories recount that Hurrians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans and Africans (and others) also worshiped the Jew's One True God! And, in fact many such people were even considered to BE 'JEWS' regardless of their ethnicity. Thus there was a second Great Temple like the one in Jerusalem, that was built for the many Egyptian, Greek and other Jews in Heliopolis! This Temple was built under the religious authority of the great reforming ONIAD DYNASTY of Jewish Priests.

    By taking a narrow and RACIST view of the Abrahamic 'Special Revelation', religious exclusivists have defined the 'pagan prophets' out of God's Own Revelation of Salvation History! The Indian 'Hindu' Vaishnavas recognise the Brahma Sarasvati Sampradaya as one of the authentic Vaishnava Lineages of Divine Revelation. Abraham and Sarah were clearly identified with this Lineage. The teachings and practices, scriptures and rites, even the Names of God and Shakti / Shekinah and important religious terms can be recognised between the Biblical Tradition and that of the Eastern Brahma Sampradaya of Vaishnavism.

    The horrible racist lies of so-called Aryanism have blinded people in both the Eastern Vedic and Western Biblical Traditions from being able to look at each other honestly and humbly. Racism has polluted humanity dividing our ONE FAMILY up into completely artificial 'racial' adversaries. The Vedic 'Aryas' were NOT just some 'white' RACE that invaded Greater India and subjucated the darker 'Dravidians' there! Neither were the JEWS of a single ethnos that shunned everyone else! An ARYA / ARYAN was a HARI-YANA, a HARI-JANA a DEVOTEE of HARI! Any human could be a devotee of the Supreme Lord, HARI / HELI / HERU / ELI / ALI / OLU / ILU / SOLE / HURRI etc.

    Sacred Tradition is the repository of all of these truths. What is needed is merely a change in our perspective or 'angle of vision' as Srila Prabhupada called it. As soon as we get-rid of any racist exclusivistic view point, and really let the Scriptures and our Holy Guru-Shastra-Sadhu Sampradaya Traditions 'speak for themselves', THEY DO. The 'Abrahamic Tradition' is confirmed by history and Divine Revelation to be part of the Brahma Sarasvati Lineage of Vaishnavism. ELI-YAHU-ADON, The Supreme Godhead of the Jews and Christians, is the same HARI-VASU-ATMAN of the Brahma Sampradaya Vaishnavas. The ancient Africans of Egypt worshiped This Most Holy Trinity as HERU-AUSU-ATUM. The Greeks worshiped HELI-OS-ATOMOS and RHODA of Rhodes. The Form of Helios Phanes was that of Brahma and vestiges of the entire Bhagavatam Tradition of the Brahma Lineage can be found throughout the Bible and the Mediterranean Regional Heliopolitam Tradition. So instead of the Abrahamic Tradition being treated as a RACIST ONE and being used to DIVIDE humanity, in reality it should be recognised as non-racist and a great UNIFIER of humanity!

    To be an Aryan was to be a Devotee! African Jews, Semitic Jews, Greek Jews, Roman Jews, Persian Jews and all kinds of 'pagans' (less educated country dwellers) were DEVOTEES. Thus they were all ARYANS or HARI-YANAS!
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · 1 · Octobarrr 24 roundabouts 11:10in the mornin' · Edited
    Ralph Wilms
    Ralph Wilms Bhakti Ananda Goswami Thank you again maharaj for your kindness, love, energy and willing to time for given me this indept information, which i really apreciatted knowing of your physical limitations❤️. This person is a Roman Catholic professor and part of the so called order of preachers in Jerusalem, and i’m not sure if he is a thomist?
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · Octobarrr 24 roundabouts 3:48in the mornin'
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami He is both badly mal-educated and unrealized when it comes to understanding what the 'Abrahamic Tradition' actually is and how the African, Indo-European and Semitic Tribes and Tongues are united by it, not divided by it. Sadly because he is also apparently very ego-attached to his erroneous view, he is not open-minded enough to fairly consider any new information or viewpoint.
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · 1 · Octobarrr 24 roundabouts 4:02in the mornin'
    David Ernest Wachter

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    Georgiana Florentina Franculescu
    Georgiana Florentina Franculescu Dear Maharaj,
    Thank you very much for being here and sharing with us this great and rare knowledge!
    Is not my intention to take much of your time, but I consider that your grace's answer will give me strength to continue my devotional service to Lord Krishna and help other women as well.
    I experienced and noticed that in most of the spiritual organizations there is much sexism and oppression towards women, and they support their behavior with quotes from shastras. I am not a feminist myself, but the behaviour of close male god brothers brings suffering. I am wondering then, why is happening like this and to what extend is justified. Is justified to believe that a woman's birth is lower than a male's birth, and that by obeing and serving him she might have some chance in the future to receive a male body as well? And many other similar statements.
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · Novembarrr 11 roundabouts 8:20in the mornin'
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami Dear Georgiana,

    It is true that within the Great Bhakti Traditions there are 'parallel' lineages of teachings, which can generally be described as more liberal and inclusive or more conservative and exclusive. These inclusive and exclusive traditions appeal to different basic personality types. From birth, such personality types can be recognised and either encouraged to develop or not. Parents, caregivers and whole societies can encourage the young to become more welcoming-to and inclusive of others, or more suspicious, guarded / defensive and exclusive. All around the World and throughout time there have been people who are predominately liberal / inclusive or conservative / exclusive.

    Actually the words 'liberal' and 'conservative' as used in today's politics may not be very accurate to describe these two basic personality types. So, think of two kinds of babies. One is curious and delites in all kinds of new and different stimuli, reaches out even to strangers, sleeps and eats easily in all kinds of circumstances, is testing everything, seems fearlessly out-going, and even laughs when startled or surprized. If not TAUGHT fearfulness, such a person, male OR female, will generally grow-up to be a liberal kind of person whose world-view is welcoming and inclusive of others… ALL KINDS OF OTHERS. The other kind of person is the opposite as a baby. Such a baby does NOT like anyone but their primary care giver(s), fears strangers, new sights, sounds, changes and differences,may be picky and rejecting of anything new, seems fearful and defensive in general and may react with terror when confronted with someone or somehing new, or when surprized. If such personality traits are reinforced by their up-bringing, this kind of person grows up to be very exclusivistic. Such a person is not comfortable with others who are different….even with those of their own family or tribe who are not their OWN SEX or exactly the way that they think that their own 'race' sex or religious person SHOULD BE. Such exclusivists need uniformity to feel safe! They typically try to divide-up, exclude and isolate whatever is different or 'Other'. They are compelled by their deep inner fear to define self and other in a strict manner that isolates and thus protects their threatened since of self.

    Sexism, racism, caste or class-ism and all kinds of pathological 'othering' arises from this same type of deep-seated fear of who or what is percieved as different, threatening and not-self.

    Thus in World religious history it can be observed that even in the Great Bhakti Traditions, these two basic kinds of people create two different manifestations of their religious traditions. The fear-less create non-sectarian charismatic movements that are inclusive and lacking boundries of sex, ethnos and social class, such CHARISMAtic (KRISHNA = CHARISMA) movements may spread like a wildfire across all kinds of social boundries. To the contrary, the more fear-ful devotees do not feel safe unless they are in a highly disciplined environment where everyone looks the same, sounds the same, acts the same, etc. Such devotees need a rigidly sex segregated social structure and are often racist too. They want everything to be uniform…the same clothes, tonsure, food, music, acts of worship (standing or kneeling) etc. They are disturbed by what is different and assume that their way is the best or only way. They are exclusivists and have rigid 'hard and fast' rules for everyone and everything. Of course such exclusivistic and strict discipline is invaluable in the generational transmission of any teaching tradition. Thus the exclusivists of any religious tradition are the usual archivists, preservers and transmitters of certain of what THEY consider to be the core teachings of that tradition.

    When religious traditions are approached via their 'conservative' male sex-segregated teaching lineages, one will surely encounter male sexism. There is also a related phenomenon in some of the sex-segregated female teaching lineages, like the many Catholic women's religious orders. This kind of rigid exclusivistic 'conservativism' is unfortunate but unavoidable.

    To avoid such sexism, male or female, the alternative is to try to approach a religion through its popular CHARISMATIC manifestations. Such charismatic social movements are liberalizing and inclusive in nature, providing an historical counter-weight to the exclusivism of the 'organized religion' sex-segregated teaching lineages. Thus, together there is a general balance in history between these parallel traditions of the inclusive and the exclusive manifestations of religion. Sometimes when the balance has been lost, there is a great crisis and then the pendulum swings back towards the middle of balance again.

    "Be the change that you want to see". Sexism of any kind is counter-spiritual. It is pathological even in a sex-segregated group. It fosters feelings of false superiority and abusive attitudes of dominance. Women can be just as sexist and abusive as men, if given the opportunity. Every religious society should do its best to root-out the impersonal, soul-destroying evils of sexism.
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · 3 · Novembarrr 11 roundabouts 3:52in the evenin'
    Georgiana Florentina Franculescu
    Georgiana Florentina Franculescu Thank you very much for the encouraging and enlightening post! _/\_ ❤
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · One sunrise ago at 12:29in the mornin'
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami
    Bhakti Ananda Goswami Hopefully everyone can distinguish between the CHARISM or Holy Spirit of Sri Sri Gaura-Nitai's NON-SECTARIAN HARI NAMA SANKIRTAN MOVEMENT, which imposes NO 'hard and fast' rules on its participants, and the hyper-sectarian 'organized religion' of diksh…Spy More
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · 1 · 9 hourglass cycles
    Shivaji Ramos
    Shivaji Ramos Bhakti Ananda Goswami "The Sankirtan Movement had no 'hard and fast rules' for participation or initiation into any sectarian Vaishnava diksha lineage. In fact the Movement included Shaivites, Devi worshipers, Tribalists, Buddhists and even Muslims! Males, females and 'third sex' people, people of all classes and castes were welcome!" – Just wonderful, so wonderful, endlessly beyond even the word wonderful Nitai-Gaur's mercy is.
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · 1 · 4 hourglass cycles
    Georgiana Florentina Franculescu
    Georgiana Florentina Franculescu I am wondering, what about the establishment of varnashrama dharma? As far as I learned, Srila Prabhupada tried to establish the varnashrama dharma too. For us, coming from an western background is more difficult to adapt to it, and when someone tries to impose even more rules and restrictions based on the difference between bodies, it is impossible to follow. Fortunately I learned that Krishna is beyond all these and all He needs is our love.
    Arrr!make other piratey faces · Reply · 1 Turn o' ye hourglass
    David Ernest Wachter

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